Right down to exactly a tenth. Find fundamental, conservative churches in your area. 4.) The New IFB website and social media accounts - launched in early 2018 - have been taken down, and some pastors have distanced themselves from Anderson and his movement. - Truth and Song I recently read an article essentially asking this same question, What's Wrong With the Independent Fundamental Baptists? Since you seem to be more of an authority on this, could you recommend some source material which would specifically deal with this from an IBC perspective? 1) strict adherence to one version of the bible Corrections? There are a number of other wrong teachings w/in this church but the false teaching about baptism is far and away the biggest, some of the others are, not believing in eternal security, and close behind is not believing that one can know that you are saved. Through preaching the New Testament, the Gospel went forth in power and the Baptist movement grew rapidly. Tithing was never required for anyone except Jews who lived under the Mosaic economy. All but seven were above the Mason-Dixon line. Believers are not set apart by the clothing they wear so much as their conduct, character, and lifestyle. He showed me a . Mostly because that had nothing to do with my question. One of the cops finally suggested giving them all their American money and theyd be free to go with a warning. (I do love acapella singing, btw.). My sister left the church years ago and is living in sin (even by the standards of other denominations so please dont take it out of context), but I talk to her every day. King Ethelbert and his court, and a considerable part of his kingdom, were won over by the successful monk. A true New Testament church bases its faith, practice and authority solely in the Word of God. 6:30, Titus 1:9-11, II Tim. For example, Paul wrote letters to the churches, each being intended for one church, and then other churches used them and later they were accepted as fully inspired parts of Scripture. 5:23) and the Chief Shepherd )1 Peter 5:4). Many of the TV evangelists and all of the Charismatic and Pentecostal churches promote teachings which are not Biblical. I really dont know how to describe it. He can make it without out $$$, but we need to learn to let go of it. If I was wearing a sponge Bob square pants costume while leading worship I would probably be asked to change into something more appropriate. (man of God). To only teach from the New Testament and ignoring the old is not using the whole Word of God. God has set up a completely different program for believers in the church age. 2 Timothy 2:15, Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. Thanks for any love shown but what you just did Kaatie was take a few lines I wrote and placed them within your own ideaand that is know as taking something out of context . The name Protestant was given to those churches which came out of Roman Catholicism during the Reformation which began in the 1500s. Some years ago when I was attempting to find another church for my family to attend so as to escape a spiritually abusive IFB, I found myself at a Church of Christ that had split from the large COC in town. Finally, I think you have some anger issues. Any professed church that does not recognize these is Apsotasy & not the Church. However, let me strongly say there has always existed an unbroken line of churches who have not erred from the faith, and been true to the Bible, Gods Word. No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him, and I will raise him up at the last day., Based on the Word of God, I submit to you that Gods plan will not be thwarted because I fail to do something. No words could console. These true Baptists added the adjectives Fundamental and Independent to their name in order that they not be identified with the false practices and teaching of the doctrinally unsound churches using the Baptist name. You people are idiots, You cant have the new testament without the old, Christ believed in and followed the old testament, this is why it says he was betrayed on the passover, because he kept the passover and all the other commandments that are in the old testament. Anyhow he screamed through most of it (funny I never see Jesus screaming at folks, particularly His followers) told some fantastic tales, not saying he was lying, but, well you know what I mean. You should tithe, but if you dont thats between you and the Lord. I thought that this was the passage you were referring to. LEARN MORE ABOUT THE DANGERS OF THE MODERNIST CHURCH If I wanted to tithe I wouldnt know where to go, because tithes were paid to a levitical priest. It is an important part of the church. 4:11) or leader of the congregation. It is the Word of God, the Bible, that makes up what is a real and true church! We had an elderly woman that lifted her hands and shouted to the Lord the entire service before she went home to be with Him. God leads us as we depend upon the Holy Spirit and keep His Word. It is the clergymen who are affiliated. But not all Baptist churches are that way! Any idiot can do that. But wouldnt Paul himself, or the original church to whom the letter was sent, count as outside authority and control? I wish you well in your new school and church. He states there were Baptists in England 1400 AD. Its the phraseology itself that one calls into question as being logical or illogical. Catholic Influences on the Modern Translations, 66. The over the years the growth of so many false and idolatrous practices caused some within the Catholic church such as Martin Luther to rebel, and to try to reform the Catholic church. His resources are free from this sight. Hope youll check it out. And I dont study my Bible enough and would say no one does. Lynne- Thanks for clearing that up. That shows your lack of emotional maturity. All systems of hierarchy set up by man over the authority of the local church has lead to doctrinal errors and corruption without exception and God has not party with them. They direct their own affairs under the authority of the New Testament Scriptures, free from the outside interference. Alsoas in regargds to whom Jesus spoke to (they were Phairsees)I dont think that matters, the Phairsee just happened to be the ones constantlty questioning & troubling Himas well as were the Religious Leaders of that day whom example was probally looked at by others to follow (note Jesus: Do the things that they teach, Jesus said, But do not do the things that they do). The Puritans did not believe in such things and they drove him from their colony. fundamental, Baptist, church. INDEPENDENT This simply means that the church stands alone, free of any governing denomination, convention or council. Throughout all your conjecture you based none of you opinions on scripture. God alone has that authority and He in the person of the Holy Spirit brings conviction and salvation to those who in simple faith believe. We are a local New Testament church reaching the Phoenix area with the Gospel of Jesus Christ. People have a tendency to attempt to conceal their sin. 13:8-10). Anyone not holding Episcopal ordination was forbade to hold services. Roger Williams is credited with founding the first Baptist church on American soil. They would probably be allowed in this Church though called Ivor Church: One of the most unsettling things to experience is dealing with corruption in power. God has not entrusted that authority to impart salvation to any man or church. HARVEY ND 58341 (701) 324-4415 CH/HM. Read all (mor ethan on epost under name Lynne). In Amsterdam, he with Thomas Helwys and thirty six others formed the first Baptist church of English people known to have stood for baptism of believers only. Im all about modest clothing, but I cant tell you how many sermons I have sat through where the man of God railed against women wearing slacks. But they should not be confused with Fundamental Baptists. The Association of Fundamental Baptist Churches in the Philippines AFBCP is an organization guiding cooperative ministries of Independent Baptist I know that we dont use argriculture in the same way they did. Those who put in the effort will be greatly rewarded while those who neglect it do harm to their own souls. They practice the Biblical teachings of separation as stated in Ephesians 5:11, which says, Have no fellowship with the unfruitful works of darkness, but rather reprove them. Your reasoning is faulty. Well last night the first speaker, spoke on Hell, he said not many preach on Hell anymore (yea, right!) The form is submitted along with the recommendations of other Calvary Chapel clergymen. -How do you determine whether or not a church teaches or practices false doctrine? Anyway at least once a year we set up a tent and have an old-fashioned revival. G.L. 14) before the Lord Jesus announced the coming establishment of the ekklesia. (Matt 16:18). ), and maybe even stand up and shout if the Lord really touches their heart, Sorry that you had a bad experience, but not all IFB churches are alike, and mine is great! If I wanted to wear a sponge bob costume while leading worship I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches. This kind of power is frightening to meet with. This is the largest christian gathering in the U.S. attracting more than 100,000 last year. Off the top of my head, I can think of 7-8 divorced couples in our church right now (and we only have around 150 in regular attendance) Join us for lively old-fashioned singing, fellowship, (and yes!) Gossips offer plausible deniability. Im not saying thats the case only sharing my experience & by Gods grace I have done so I believe. Most of the Anabaptists successors became the Mennonites, Amish and Quakers. 53, Cornhill, 1813, Fundamental Baptist CD ROM Library, 1701 Harns Rd. History is clear there is no other denomination that has so loved and been faithful to Gods Word as has the Baptists. For example, G.L. Sure the new testament is important but so is the old testament. Also, as a Southern Baptist, I am wondering if your fifth distinctive disqualifies my congregation, since we are members of the Southern Baptist Convention. Also, you keep mentioning Jesus statement about not leaving tithing undone. They were then tarred and feathered and ran out of the county. I request any comment left to me is free of insults and vulgarities, please). I would like comment on each trait if you dont mind: How would the IFB Churches differ from other churches that teach first century, new testament doctrine? Or, I hope that youve beaten your children today, 13Withhold not correction from the child: for if thou beatest him with the rod, he shall not die. Perfectly Preserved Word of God Deception, 67. Nowhere in the Bible do I see that Christians are recognized by their clothing. Furthermore I believe it involved religion. Offers of religious liberty drew many Baptists to settle in New Jersey. Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. It seemed that if some people (which were severalactually almost all with very few exceptions) were given any place of position within the church, they responded with a sole purpose for having the pastor pleased with them, and definitely staying in his face about ideas which truly seemed more personal preference than such ideas of benefit. It was organized in Cicero, Illinois, U.S., in June 1930 as the successor to the American Conference of Undenominational Churches. As long as they go to a God fearing church that believes in Jesus Christ and they themselves are not rebelling against God then it would not hurt my feelings if they went to Southern Baptist or Methodist churches. He was much displeased with the Puritan theocracy. I have never believed in obedience to a pastor just obedience to Gods Word The Puritans were dissenters from the Church of England. The Revolutionary War for some time slowed the growth of Baptist churches. Most Baptist churches were in the past founded on the sound doctrinal teachings of the New Testament, however, many of them have in varying degrees drifted away from many of the teachings of the Scriptures. 8. Examine any church in light of these five distinctive it will be shown if they are true historical Baptist congregation which is synonymous with what is a true biblical New Testament church. I have done my share of research on what defines a cult and unless Im missing something, we dont qualify as a such. They many have been called by various names, before assemblies used the name Baptist. We must agree with John Smyth, the true New Testament church is founded on its belief and practice of the Scriptures, and not on any outward succession of a visible or invisible organization. We are looking for passionate defenders of the faith and offer a viable alternative to New Evangelical and compromising mission boards. It tried to explain and figure out why IFB churches seem to be drying up and closing their doors. I think that you should go kill your children. This is the biggest wrong teaching of the Churches of Christ, although you have lots of company in this wrong belief, it is still wrong teaching. 3.) There have always existed, from the time of Christ, New Testament churches which were not a part of the Roman Church. A new church opened their doors here recently, stating they are an IFB church. After taking in many of their services and listening to the self-ordained Pastor, and now reading this article, Ive come to some conclusions. 5.) God cares not for your works, your baptism, your church attendance, or your social status. Would you agree with me on this? Williams graduated from Cambridge University in 1627, and was apparently ordained in the Church of England. halftruth and deception ministries. I think it is true that God certainly does choose people and draw them to Himself. The charge recorded against him was that he broached and divulged new and dangerous opinions against the authority of the magistrates. Historically, Baptists were never a part of the Roman Catholic Church or the Protestant Reformation and therefore can not be correctly called protestors or Protestants. Henry Jacob. He is only one of many such godly men who would not compromise the truth. Even if a church blows the interpretation of verses like this and sets up what you refer to as a hierarchy, I feel you are in error to claim that God has no party with them, see for reference the 7 churches in Revelation which had great things going for them, but Christ had to deal with their errors. You either comply or you are thrown out. He, however, continued to preach by holding services in his own home. Just because all churches do something a certain way (whether its tithing, tithing a tenth, standing on their heads when they pray, or whatever) doesnt make it correct. I grew up in a Catholic church and boarding school, then was taken out and placed into Lutheran surroundings. We never shun people who leave the church. About modesty, my wife and I attended a concert that my sons band performed at a teen group in a neighboring town. It stands for devotion and a strict obedience to God and his commandments. He lived a sinless and exemplary life, died on the cross in our place, and rose again to prove His victory and empower us . If you think women ought to wear pants, thats your prerogative. The first is the United Church of Christ and secondly is the one I refer to, Independent Churches of Christ. Further, he ignored the reading of the order of service and simply preached the Scriptures. In 1631, he arrived in Boston. Such as The Church of Christ? He continued to read the New Testament, and became fully aware that infant baptism, sprinkling for baptism, and allowing unsaved people to be members of the church was not Scriptural. And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. It was almost like watching 12yr olds trying to run a corporation. Really!! You are right, Jesus came to fulfill the law. He spoke aganist them leaving the others things undone. Being curious, I tried the Episcopal church and am now making arrangements for my confirmation. I saw Jesus there and the Holy Spirit! Good job Greg!in reference to your reply to Rachel above. But rather than ordaining ourselves mini-Holy Spirits we need to be faithful in our teaching, we need to teach repentance, and we need to leave the conviction of sin, righteousness and judgement to Almighty God. However, Jesus did not tell you or me that we should give ten percent. I know that as I give more to the Lord Im blessed more & even if not I want to. God uses us, to the extent that get out of His way. Church Directory Sub-pages. So how all USA (& most Developed Nations tithe, etc) is no different than at my IFB Church fellowship I attend. Blessings & againIm so sorry you were hurt like that you & your family. Ive become weary of those labels, and the Baptist one carries alot of baggage now. Just some thoughts. I understand all that. Im sure you realize all this, but I thought I would throw my voice in it. I think Lynne has been fed a large dose of legalism, and just cant seem to escape it. As for being responsible to share the gospel with those whom God has put in our path; our daily life should show we are different by our character and the way we live. Please excuse me. They tried to establish that according to history, Baptists have an unbroken line of churches since Christ. 2. In fact, I have no close friends that attend the same church as me. That saintly old woman in the pew may be depending upon her infant baptism to get her to heaven. Also, when only what we do for Christ will last would include contributing to kingdom endeavors. You will find, to the left, a tags cloud as well as a category drop down menu. https://www.victorybaptistharvey.com victorybaptistharvey@gmail.com. It is the Lords tithe, and God chose to use his tithe in the OT and in the NT for the maintenance of the priesthood (those that are called out for the specific service of God in ministering to the Lord and to the people on behalf of the Lord) and the maintenance of the house of God a place wherein Gods people assemble for the purpose of worship (honoring) the Lord. But the police proceeded to arrest them and throw them in jail. The line of English churches that can be traced, who called themselves Baptists, began in 1610 in Holland. Ok so he starts attempting to pull the heart strings about loved ones that you are around daily, and if you are telling them enough about getting saved etc. We all make mistakes, the only thing we can do is apologize and attempt to do better. God, I believe deliberately used isolated groups in many different places during time to preserve His church and did not choose to use a line or chain of churches to past His Word and authority on to the next generation. I am a musician, so really wouldnt be very content in a church where I couldnt play an instrument and never did go there, except to attend her funeral. Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Deception - Exposing the Dangerous Teachings of the Independent Fundamental Baptist (IFB) Denomination Welcome to BaptistDeception.com Edit Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. We have special music and usually 2 preachers a night. 2.) I have also spend a good bit of down time ruminating over my beliefs of my church, and the fallacies of their theology. That means every church service must provide a time for people to come to Christ. Every activity, every thing we do, needs to uplift King Jesus, and it must allow for winning precious people to our Lord. Ok, so Im pretty sure you are referring to the Church of Christ that was founded by good ol Thomas Campbell (1763-1854) He was a fine Scottish Presbyterian who left Ireland to come to western PA. in 1807. Baptists, including IFB Baptists, are all deceived. They are guilty of not holding the Head, the Lord Jesus Christ. I humbly asked a question. Exposing the Dangerous Teachings and Traditions of the Independent Fundamental Baptist Denomination Please scroll down to find a list of articles for your convenience. Many Baptists were executed by the newly formed Church of England during what is called the Protestant inquisition. I appreciate your stand for the cause of Christ, and remember always to rely on the blessed Word of God to lead and guide you, there will be times perhaps, when someone you really look up to is promoting ideas that are not biblical and yet they try to use the bible to convince you of their veracity. 1. The cause is clear. The pastor followed up with me with a long phone call, and that is when we began to discuss the baptism issue, he was very cordial and we simply agreed to disagree, which is probably what you and I will have to do. The pastor's name is Kevin Draganac. The Law was done away withperfect love fullfills all the Law was trying to acomplish. Later, he escaped and became a Christian missionary. My sons group will be performing on the Indie stage at 10:00 am on July 1. PO BOX 346. God does not lead His children by rules. I believe the all scripture is given. passage to include the Old Testament, too. . Lynne, So I still think Just about every Church has Strict dress Standards whether they know it or not. Later in history, around 600 AD, Austin, Catholic monk, was sent to Britain by Pope Gregory the Great. We are an old-fashioned, independent, fundamental, King James Bible only, soul-winning Baptist church. As for relating to other denominations and Catholocs, I believe that that is also harmful if one is not strong enough in their faith. Shall we offer excuses that were only human? It should be free. What gets my goat on this style of preaching is that as much as these baptists act as though they follow nothing but the scripture, it seems they dont read it or study it much. The name Fundamental Independent Baptist is of recent origin and came into being because many modern day Baptist churches compromising the Word of God and teaching and practicing false doctrines. Look at Ezekiel 33. The loved me and cared for my" Unaccountable. I loved what you said about knowing the nature of God. Thats why Paul advocated free will offerings (see 2 Corinthians 9). An Independent Baptist Church would not be apart of a national organization that would exercise authority over the local church. Benedict states that the English Roman Catholics in 1535, put to death twenty two Baptists for heresies. @Lynne I appreciate your dedication and your spirit to pursue what God would have for you in the area of giving. God richly bless you and Merry Christmas! PEOPLE are the problem! A Baptist church may choose to associate with other churches of like faith around mutual interests or ministry opportunities, but one church cannot exert authority over another. Well originally Abraham initiated giving a tenth of his to the priest in the Melchizdeak order which was a type of Christ I believe. I think Calvary Chapel churches are great. Suppose an airplane flew over some isolated country that had no past or present contact with anyone else in the world. This charter was the very cornerstone of American religious freedom! Something else to note here, what were they tithing? Tithing I believe is liberty. Still others rail about the same sin constantly, possibly out of their own guilt. First I find your demeaning undertone disheartening. These first Baptist churches formed in England were Armenian in theology, which taught that all men could be saved. These five distinctive beliefs separate the true Baptists from other groups who have mistakenly taken the name Baptist and all non New Testament churches such as the Protestants. Don't expect anything contemporary or liberal. I dont understand the context of your comment. 8) forbid lifting of hands during the service, some of the IFB churches are more lenient on this matter that others. Lynne While I agree with most of your comment, I would be very interested in finding where Jesus teaches about tithing in the bible. 14Thou shalt beat him with the rod, and shalt deliver his soul from hell. Proverbs 23:13-14 see how silly that way of using scripture is? He did not fail to share truth although He was not yet crucifiedso likewise I argue that since He said it should not have been left undoneHe meant what He says as He shared the fuller meaning I believe of the Laws. There are plenty of church members that disagree with the preacher on many topics. No one in USA at least (whether IFB, CALVARLY CHAPEL, MOST CHURCHES, etc) tithe on all belongings at they practiced thier & our money/wealth/argicultural exchange & system is very different. If you have any more questions or comments (as long as they are not rude), please feel free to email me again. But still, I think if I wanted to lead Worship wearing Just a speedo I probably would not be allowed to do this in most Churches.
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