It uses the same motor, geometry and suspension system, and in changing the frames material, Specialized hasnt compromised on feel. In terms of geometry, the Turbo Levo is still one of the disciplines greats. In an ode to a bike testers clich, it had to descend like a downhill bike, pedal and climb like a cross country bike and be as comfortable to ride as an enduro bike. Turned motor off and then back on and kept going. Aug Motor and transmission advances are exciting but where are the super light weight, recharge in no time forever, environmentally friendly batteries. It was covered in a thread a few weeks ago about ebike developments. Immersion Homestays and Study Abroad programs Summer, Semester, or School Year. My walk assist works well and Ive used it enough to not have it be more delayed or slower. Youre right, there are a great many potential options coming. I dont think Im sticking my neck out too far if I say the ebike boom will eclipse that of the mountain bike. I installed a larger 0.4in cubed spacer and reduced pressure to 180psi. Purchased the new S-Works Turbo Levo 6 weeks ago and has been at shop for over a week because of issues with motor/controller. .. has anyone heard of the next big thing in the power source for the motor? This made committing to high lines into turns or charging across cambers an efficient and rewarding way to ride. Adding to the underperforming suspension was Specializeds high-volume GRID TRAIL casing tyres. However, the fork and shock, when coupled with the thin-casing tyres on this model, negatively impact control, smoothness and capability when the trails get rough and raw, which are the exact conditions the S-Works Turbo Levo excelled in. Dont miss the opportunity. This makes keeping the front wheel glued to the ground or feeding in traction to the rear wheel much easier than a bike with geometry that stretches a rider out over the front, or positions them a long way over the back wheel. The Brose Drive S Mag also belongs in this category of eMTBs, though it is noticeably more powerful than the Shimano or Bosch, allowing you to get up the climbs just that little bit quicker. Both the TQ and SACHS motors are even faster uphill, with over a 100 Nm torque on offer. Fear we're not making the right decision, getting the best value for money, the most appropriate bike for us. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Head angles can be set anywhere from 65.5 degrees down to 63 degrees, and bottom-bracket heights change by 7mm depending on setting. Bikes (172) E-Bikes (67) Framesets (41) Category. After few minutes uphill riding, strange noise comin from motor (ta-ta-ta). After 300km, loud bang in motor when star pedaling. For the sake of a few grams, fitting thicker-casing tyres would significantly improve performance. In many ways we dont even know if Specialized will go with another Brose motor. Full power motors provide 50 to 90 Nm of torque at the lower cadences of 50 to Without pedals, my S4 test bike weighed 24.02kg on my scales. It may not display this or other websites correctly. The only thing that causes a little concern would be it failing 30 miles out from the car, with 5k ft of climbing to go! Crestline EMTB: Gravity-Oriented Long-Travel Electric Mountain Bike, We rode the new Shimano EP6 and EP8 (801) ebike motors. He says on flat ground there isn't any assist difference between 75% and 100% at any speed over 20mph. Compared to the Yamaha-driven Giant Reign E+ 1, the Turbo Levo is much more efficient and easier to control. Starting having problems with Mission Control app, reinstalled app and even tried installing on another cell phone to proof out was it an app or bicycle hardware issue. At the lower pressures required to improve comfort and traction, it struggled to provide enough support in its mid-stroke to truly complement the frames capabilities. Spend a semester or a school year abroad with a host family and attend high school classes. Yeah, I get a hunch that maybe they couldnt engineer it down to a marketable weight. The only way is use 21700 cells, but they are bigger. Up front, we see a Fox 36 Rhythm ebike fork with 160mm of travel. Introduction And in my calculation thats half what they got it to in production at least. Over 500 miles in on my turbo levo comp 2021. Foxs Float X shock isnt as supple and active as the X2 fitted to the S-Works version of this bike. Its backed up by the well-balanced climbing position, where my bodys weight felt centralised over the middle of the bike. Crestline EMTB: Gravity-Oriented Long-Travel Electric Mountain Bike, We rode the new Shimano EP6 and EP8 (801) ebike motors. With anti-rise numbers that range from 58 per cent at full travel to just over 50 per cent at bottom-out, it should be supple while braking, because braking forces are trying to extend the suspension in its travel. So with all the competition improving surely it's time for Specialised/Brose to put them selves back in front. amilies can welcome a foreign student in their home for 2-4 weeks in the summer or 2 weeks during fall, winter, or spring vacations. Based on how the E8000 was released I expect released late 2020 for 2021 models or even late 2021. I think were a couple of years off from that leap forward that we all want. The Float X came installed with a yellow 0.2in cubed volume-reducer spacer and needed 190psi of pressure to stop excessive bottoming, but this sacrificed small-bump compliance. A first look at Crestline's new EEB, the 75 / 50. In trail, that figure is between 1,700m and 1,900m, and in turbo it drops to 1,500m. Specialized uses the S motor but calls it "Turbo 1.3" or Turbo 2.1 (Mag) and there's an app that you can tune motor performance via bluetooth on your smartphone. I set the rebound adjuster to fully open. I adjusted the tyre pressures according to trail conditions, but compared to thicker-casing tyres, the thin GRID TRAIL versions meant higher pressures were needed to protect against punctures and provide good carcass stability. Out back is a Fox Float X Performance shock with low-speed rebound adjustment and a two-position lockout. Specializeds newest Turbo Levo received a lot of good press when it was launched, including a near-perfect review of the S-Works version written by me. Super-customisable geometry helps give the Turbo Levo its category-defying handling. Or this guy is doing some magic? The frames potential is there, however, it just needs better components to tap into it. We You must log in or register to reply here. This tuning kit enables you to deactivate the speed limiter of your e-bike. |, b/4/0/c/b40cfb101c2580910bda67133a00289a0fc1b440_Specialized_Turbo_Levo_Comp___01.JPG, Adjustable geometry that feels great on the trail; good battery life; powerful motor; comfy seat and grips, Suspension-damper function limited; puncture-prone tyres; asking price not equitable to performance on tap. Hes one of BikeRadars lead testers and knows how to push bikes and products to the limit, searching out the equipment that represents the best value for money. My 2021 Turbo Levo S-Works is in the shop AGAIN. Specialized has launched a new 3rd generation Levo with improved suspension performance, adjustable geometry and a seriously quiet & very smooth motor. Battery life is akin to Bosch- and Shimano-powered bikes fitted with the smaller 625Wh and 630Wh batteries, meaning the Turbo Levo is less efficient with how it uses its power. It was possible to run lower pressures on tame terrain, and this certainly improved composure, but on more rocky or faster trails, we experienced plenty of punctures. Was able to remedy by "rebooting" bike like a computer by eventually being able to turn it off and restart. Was able to charge abd totally dead again after sitting over night. Rather, seat-tube lengths are kept short across the six-size range (from 380 to 465mm) so riders can size up (or down) from their recommended bike to have a more nimble or more stable ride. It may not display this or other websites correctly. Giving riders the ability to update their motor and Turbo Connect Unit firmware is in response to feedback we have received from Once tech support receives info then we can point to a date. can everybody please share their MY2021 motor serial numbers? Surprised nobody has mentioned the soon to be released Creo which has a Specialized motor. Battery wouldn't hold a charge, totally dead next day after finishing ride with 35% charge remaining. We You must log in or register to reply here. |, USD $7,500.00 Specializeds 2.2 motor co-developed with Brose and 700Wh capacity provide the assistance and power, boasting 90Nm of torque and 565 peak watts. Took 3-1/2 weeks to get it replaced under warranty. With a Weve had a couple of encounters with the new EP8 motor already. Alex then moved back to the UK and put his vast knowledge of mountain biking to good use by landing a job working for MBUK magazine as features editor. A first look at Crestline's new EEB, the 75 / 50. Replaced with less than 400 miles on it. Keeping down the asking price of this model sees Foxs 160mm-travel 36 Rhythm electric bike fork mated to a Fox Float X Performance shock. However, the Fox 36 chassis had plenty of stiffness to handle higher speeds, and I had no complaints about the GRIP damper in terms of control. On the climbs, the Turbo Levos chassis and motor work in harmony to provide a powerful, comfortable and fluid experience. Ask again in 6 months haha. Thanks to 150mm of rear-wheel travel, mullet wheels (29in front, 27.5in rear) and highly adjustable geometry, the Turbo Levo comfortably straddles the trail and enduro categories with total confidence. I think the best we can hope for is greater efficiency of the motor/drivetrain until then. earthmover Pedelecer. This gave me 35mm/21.8 per cent sag. This reduces traction and limits comfort on small bumps frequently found on worn-out trail centre surfaces, where the rear suspension feels harsh at the start of its travel. Despite this being the inaugural edition of eMTB Bike of the Year test, weve had plenty of experience testing ebikes to their absolute limits. 2019 Levo Comp, 6 months old, second motor. There are a host of Specialized components, including bar, stem, saddle, grips, and wheels wrapped in Specialized Butcher front and Eliminator rear GRID TRAIL casing rubber, while the X-Fusion Manic dropper has 175mm of travel (S4). To win this years test, we were looking for a bike that offered the best all round package with fewest compromises and was able to perform on every type of riding we could throw at it. The 150mm of rear-wheel travel has been given Specializeds Rx Tune, where the kinematics, leverage curve, damper tunes and spring rates have all been designed to work together to provide the best on-trail feel. I set the rebound to taste, and the GRIP dampers compression lever was set to fully open. Specializeds 2.2 motor co-developed with Brose and 700Wh capacity provide the assistance and power, boasting 90Nm of torque and 565 peak watts. I think, this is not normal. Specialized states it has a rearward axle path up to 65mm into its travel, moving just under 5.6mm rearwards at its maximum point, then finishing 4mm further forward than full extension once it hits bottom-out. Well I've only had my STLC for a month now and have loved every minute, no faults at all, gears can be a bit clunky when changing down, but that could also be user error, I do have a slight clicking coming from somewhere around the top bracket but I'm looking into that, other than that it's a great bike and looks the nuts, I do also like the look of the new Trek. dobbyhasfriends Jul 24, 2022 5 6 7 Replies 188 Views 26K Apr 20, 2023 Bearing Man The World's largest electric mountain bike community. This alloy-framed version of the Turbo Levo has the potential to be as good as the S-Works bike. Yes, July 2020. Now I have another problem. Unfortunately, that means micro-mode adjustments, where assist levels can be adjusted in 10 per cent increments, arent available. Have been riding 2,200 km on my turbo levo 2021 ( have them for 6x weeks now). regarding the 2020 Turbo Levo, I would advise to avoid it, the 2020 models may have the older motor version that suffered design issues. Host a student! It was a similar story with the fork. When I switch motor off, noise is gone. Although thats not say our job was simple, and choosing a winner came down to the wire where the second and first place bikes swapped positions more times than we checked our tyre and shock pressures. Dont mean to redirect this thread but has anyone heard of the next big thing in the power source for the motor? This ebike version has thicker stanchions compared to standard EVOL 36s, and means the air spring has a lower volume. Thanks to the 700Wh battery, the Turbo Levo can easily exceed 2,000m of climbing on a single charge if assistance levels are kept low. Has a 50-60% increase in capacity so somewhere in the 700Wh range in the same form factor with virtually no weight penalty. I think, this is not normal. Has anyone put carbon handlbars on their Levo? The time to travel and study abroad is now! For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Now, waiting for new motor. Specialized turbo Levo motor problems. Normally every 3 years for Brose and Bosch not sure about any others. Maybe the rep is busy trying to get bikes out to his dealers instead of answering questions about reliability on a bike that has literally only been out in the wild for just over six weeks. No issues since then (although walk-mode needs a firmware fix Im sure is coming). Only issue Ive had was a single error on an almost 5k foot climb over 3.5mi on a hot day. The Comp Alloy is fitted with the largest 700Wh battery, but doesnt have the MasterMind TCU with in-built display. You are using an out of date browser. The last time the bicycle world saw something explode like this was the introduction of the mountain bike. Undeniably, the magic of the carbon-framed S-Works Turbo Levo is still present with the alloy version, or at least it could be unleashed with a few component upgrades. Based on how the E8000 was released I expect released late 2020 for 2021 models or even late 2021. Improve your language skills? I have a 2020 Levo Comp with a motor replaced with the 2021 version 600 km ago this summer, with latest firmware. The generous 447mm chainstays and long 821mm front centre (the distance between the bottom bracket and front wheel axle) combine with the steep seat-tube angle and relatively stout top tube to give a fairly upright seated riding position. Active (38) Mountain (27) Road (9) Product Family. You can read more of my experience My MY21 that I bought in August has a Jan 2020 manufacture date. Got a red/blue flashing light that I thought maybe was occurring because of heat. Took it to an authorized Specialized bike shop and they installed a new battery. Although that sounds impressive, its axle path is similar to most traditional low-pivot bikes, rather than being innovative. I took those claims with a pinch of salt at the time but if deliverable then clearly in 5 years well be much better off as thats a couple of kilos off the weight. Give your students the gift of international friendships. To boot, the soft Specialized Trail Grips and Bridge Comp saddle further boosted comfort; both are some of the most luxurious-feeling on the market. For my 178cm height, I chose to test the S4 bike that has a 477mm reach. I suspect Ill get my first motor failure in three months because of either ?, I have not upgraded to the newest update due to some of the posts about the walk assist. After power on, noise is back. Ride Eco almost exclusively. The Turbo Levos seat tube angle positioned my hips over the bottom bracket rather than behind it, improving seated climbing comfort and efficiency compared to a bike that encourages a more stretched position. Motor manufacture date was Feb 2020. Would you like to receive offers, updates and events from BikeRadar and its publisher Our Media Ltd (an Immediate Group Company)? Lets hope they shake things up and lob a gearbox in there. Will these be any good on a Levo Turbo Expert ? We took it As the only bike in this category with Foxs 36 ebike-specific fork and Float X shock, setup compared to the other bikes was different. The Turbo Levos geometry makes it a trail bike like no other. The Turbo Levo Comp Alloys frame is made from Specializeds M5 premium alloy, featuring internally routed cables, integrated chain-slap protection and enough space beneath the shock for a 625ml water bottle. Visit your Local Bike ShopDISCLAIMER: This video description contains affiliate links, which means that if you click on one of the product links, Ill receive a small commission. Specialized has collaborated with Brose to produce its own bespoke motors. The newest Turbo Levo is fitted with the Specialized/Brose developed Turbo Full Power System 2.2 motor. Despite its weight being one of the lowest of our bikes in this category, it frequently overwhelmed the trail-focused damper. Customised to perfectly match JavaScript is disabled. Kenevo comp 2021, bought October 2020, motor date January 2020. WebSpecialized Turbo Levo SL Expert PLANET3 Tuning Kit for Brose 2020-2022 Emtb 1 watched in the last 24 hours Condition: Used Used with only 70 miles of use Time left: 4d 2h | Saturday, 04:11 Starting bid: 50.00 [ 0 bids ] Submit Bid Price: 100.00 Buy it now Add to basket Watch this item Postage: May not post to United States. Riders wont be disappointed with the power of the Turbo Levo and how its delivered. After power on, noise is back. After few minutes uphill riding, strange noise comin from motor (ta-ta-ta). Turbo Como (7) Turbo Creo (9) It uses SRAMs GX Eagle drivetrain, but is fitted with a host of Specialized and Roval-branded parts. Now, I am waiting for 3rd motor. Specialized turbo levo good choice or not. Continental has announced it will be ceasing production of its electric bike motors in 2020. Save 25% + DMR Trail Gloves + DeathGrips when you subscribe to MBUK magazine, *Spring Savings* Try 6 issues of Cycling Plus for just 9.99 | Save 74% today, The frame and motor have virtually irreproachable performance, but its spec seriously limits the potential, GBP 6,750.00 RRP does anyone know if its true that motors shipping now are more reliable ? Many factors are at play here, but the negative air chamber size and need for increased spring pressure over other shocks were the biggest contributors. when do we think availability of bikes will get back to normal? Speculating about future technology certainly doesnt come from a place of fear for me. Specialized claims the 2.2 version of the motor received a host of updates to improve reliability, and my extensive testing on the S-Works Turbo Levo has so far proven those claims. WebPeartune MSO 4.0 For Brose Specialized 2.0 | 2.1 | 2.2 Motors 2021-2023 193.00 Sale eBike Tuning Kit Planet3 for Brose Specialized Turbo Levo Comp and Comp Carbon 2019 So I got the improved June 2020 motor and I bet you get one too on a 2021 bike you havent received yet. Specialized must be so pissed off at Brose. Wheelspins are irregular and traction on soft, wet ground is impressively easy to control. The terrain we tested the bikes on, therefore, was wide in scope and representative of what a modern enduro bike should be able to handle, whether that was gravity-fuelled laps on the DH tracks, epic enduro missions with long descents or gruelling trail rides with hours in the saddle. There was someone in the S class section offering to do it for money who must have had a tool to hack into the Brose motor,only Specialized dealers are supposed to have them. Let me know what you think in the comments below \u0026 Don't forget to subscribe!! You are using an out of date browser. This gave the front end a perceptible pinginess on small, chattery bumps, which reduced grip and control. The Specialized SL 1.1 motor produces 240 W, providing the least output of the motors we tested. 2019 to 2021 Turbo Levo Are Brose & Specialized Fixing Their Motor Problem ? Students live with a host family and attend classes on a daily basis. I bought a MY21 Turbo Levo in August 2020. You've been subscribed to our newsletter. Reducing air pressure and increasing the number of tokens helped improve the forks performance, but compared to the larger air springs found on Foxs EVOL forks, it was still compromised enough to reduce the Turbo Levos overall ride quality. Then the speed indicator gets stabilized and keeps on showing the same value even at higher speeds. Good, bad and/or cost? Mountain (126) Road (77) Active (70) Specialized hasnt compromised on motor or battery specifications for this Alloy version, so to keep the price down certain parts have been downgraded from the S-Works model. It's FEAR ! In this video, we check out the Brose motors in Specialized's Turbo Ebikes. Now synonymous with Specialized bikes, the Sidearm strut that spans the length of the rear shock between the top and seat tubes is present and is claimed to tune the frames stiffness. These motors are made by a German brand called Brose, who specializes in OEM motors Basic tuning kit for your e-bike with Brose Specialized motor. this is going off topic a little (brose) .. and we don't like to do that .. What do you think? When I switch motor off, noise is gone. The S motor line is at the very front of the big dog pack - dramatically peppier than most competing systems, with 15% more power than the already strong Brose T. He also says assist stops at 34 mph all together Any thoughts? The Turbo Levo got a true workout on a wide range of trails. Thanks to the 36 Rhythm ebike forks lower-volume air spring, I had to run less spring pressure than I was used to. Or at least confirm if any of you have 2019 motors? The motor and battery life are up there with the best of them, giving the Bosch and Shimano units a run for their money. That connection helped it feel amazing in the turns, where it was easy to lean over and commit, the bike augmenting rider inputs by just the right amount. I'm not worried about it at all. Unlocking the magical ride quality of the S-Works bike would be possible with fork and damper upgrades, but also a costly thing to do. These motors are made by a German brand called Brose, who specializes in OEM motors for the auto industry and how mid-drive motors for bicycles. Id just limited to Specialized but Im probably most excited about a combined motor/CVT gearbox set up. The Specialized SL 1.1 motor produces 240 W, providing the least output of the motors we tested. The others have a peak output two-, three- or sometimes even four times that. Torque output is given in newton metres (Nm), which describes the amount of rotational force the motor is able to generate. During the test period, conditions ranged from mid-winter wet and snow through to dry and dusty warm spring conditions. The World's largest electric mountain bike community. Thanks to the reduced-volume air spring at the higher pressures needed to provide bottom-out resistance and mid-stroke support, it felt harsh at the start of its travel. Absolutely love the bike but nothing but problems. However, the motor does have ANT+ and Bluetooth connectivity, and each of its three modes can be modified in the Mission Control smartphone app. Sorry I can't be more help. In this video, we check out the Brose motors in Specialized's Turbo Ebikes. I give it 4-5 years but it could remove a lot of pain points for e-MTBs (wear and tear, opportunity to optimise into torque bands to reduce battery usage etc). The Turbo Levo Alloy Comp is aimed at offering S-Works performance at a lower cost. However, with the adjustable-volume air-spring shock, more progression can be added. Alex moved to Morzine in the French Alps at 19 to pursue a career as a bike bum and clocked up an enormous amount of riding. The eBike world seems to be so obsessed with whats better and whats next better make sure Ive got the best bike. Now I have another problem. Hitting those famous tracks day in, day out for eight years, he broke more bikes than he can remember. Alex is also a dedicated eMTB rider, and still dabbles in racing of a sort, doing his best to top the Strava leaderboard on the steepest, gnarliest and twistiest trails the Tweed Valley has to offer just for fun, of course. Since working for MBUK, Alexs focus has moved to bike tech. Web24 Mar 2021. After testing the bike in multiple geometry configurations, I settled on the slackest, lowest and longest settings. My friend has a planet 3 and uses blevo. What do you think? The brand makes no claims about anti-rise or anti-squat, but according to Linkage Design, at sag in the easiest gear it has 120 per cent anti-squat, which should cause the suspension to resist pedal-induced bob. VERY disappointed in quality control at Specialized. The Brose/Specialized Drive S Mag/Turbo Full Power System 2.2 Motor boasts 90Nm of torque, beating on paper the other motors on test. I like to consider the possibilities the tech might open up. 2019 to 2021 Turbo Levo - have brose fixed the motor issues yet ? JavaScript is disabled. The chassis sizing and front-to-rear-centre ratio, plus the hand-to-feet relationship, the bottom-bracket height, and reach and stack figures made me feel like I was riding in the bike, rather than on top of it. Reactions: LeighPing. According to Specializeds own leverage-rate data, the Turbo Levo is 22 per cent progressive through its travel, making it one of the more linear bikes in this test. Even if he stuck in an MMRTG there'd be a 90kg weight penalty for 250w Oh to have a more efficient MMRTG on a bike . no range anxiety.. Introduction Personally I am enjoying watching the technology of the ebike unfold. First thank you all who posted here! Definitely not normal. Alex Evans is BikeRadars senior mountain bike technical editor. I dont think you can apply the same logic to EMTB, but most people seem to spend too much time focusing on the spec sheet. !Links to my equipment:-----Famous Green Scale: https://amzn.to/2qhO6Fm-----Lav Mic: https://amzn.to/2JofnOU-----Camera: https://amzn.to/2JmewhQ-----Tripod: https://amzn.to/2qfKdk4-----Gimbal (Bikes Shots): https://amzn.to/2Damiva-----Like the part? Want to discover the world? WebCrazy Lenny's Electric Bikes is the largest single-location ebike store in the USA. As soon as that was announced my thoughts were that the next motor for any of the Specialized bikes would be what Specialized made. The motors natural, discreet but strong assistance defines a large part of the ride. Still going ? The others have a peak output two-, three- or sometimes even four Equally, when charging down a flat-out straight, it was possible to sense the chassis contributing to overall stability. If youve ever dreamed of living and studying abroad or hosting a student, dont let anything stand in your way. Other than that Ive added a 36t crank, and ride in trail turbo most of the time. Already have an account with us? Fitted with the updated Turbo Full Power System 2.2 motor, the Turbo Levo offers 90Nm of peak torque, beating both Bosch and Shimano motors by 5Nm. The World's largest electric mountain bike community. WebNow in its 20th year, Motor & Drive Systems is the sell-out global conference bringing together industry thought leaders focused on the latest technical advancements in motor, Consider a teacher-led homestay + excursions when planning future trips. E9000 still a rumor. Marketing gives the impression that every bike is the best bike .. in reality, for most people they're just all really good and it probably doesn't make that much difference and the colour is probably more important in our day to day lives .. The increased pressures required to maintain carcass stability accentuated the harshness of the fork and under-damped feel of the rear shock. WebBrose Drive: silent, powerful, smart We have transferred our extensive knowledge of drive systems from the automotive industry to the e-bike. WebE-Bikes (65) Framesets (3) Category. Its specced with SRAMs GX Eagle drivetrain and Code R brakes with a 220mm front rotor and 200mm rear. It is much easier to ride than the Mondraker Level R, Whyte E-180 RS v3 and Giant Reign E+ 1, and is more stable than the Saracen Ariel 50E Elite and YT Decoy Core 4, beating both those bikes in terms of potential on the descents and performance and comfort on the climbs.
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